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False Anti-Atheist Argument #2

“How can you be an atheist?”, “I don’t have that kind of faith.”, “Believing everything came  from nothing”.

I came across this cectic comic:

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This reminded me of another false atheist argument that is gaining ground these day.

First off, saying that you “don’t have enough faith” to be an atheist but have enough to be a practicing Christian or Muslim is such a contradiction it hurts my head (and should hurt yours to).

Second, this is a non-argument and if someone uses this “reasoning” it only shows that they’re a complete idiot. I’m not being elitist, arrogant, or close-minded: I’m being realistic and honest.

Atheists do not believe that everything came from nothing. Most intelligent people know that the big bang happened and there’s lots of evidence for it. What we don’t know( is how it happen- we haven’t discovered zero hour(but we have a very good idea what happens after the big band).

If scientists haven’t discovered how something happened believers will immediately jump on this yet undiscovered fact and say “god did it”- this is known as god of the gap.

This is where an objective observer can see a potent different between religion and skepticism: Religion is rigid dogmatic belief, Skepticism is the updating of personal beliefs with new evidence…

Back to “don’t have enough faith” rubbish. To be a skeptic or an atheist you don’t need blind faith! All you have to do is look at the evidence and make a logical decision based on the evidence.

I think a definition of faith is needed (via dictionary.com):

2.
belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

To warp it up: faith has nothing to do with atheism or skepticism! Atheism/Skepticism is a way of thinking NOT a way of believing! No Faith Required…

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False anti-atheist argument #1

Hitler was an Atheist! Stalin was an Atheist! Pol Pot was an Atheist!

Wrong! Wrong! and Wrong!

This turns up a lot; that atheists are nothing but immoral, child-eating, heretical, blah, blah, etc. etc.

This point of view is going to need some serious light to blast away the ignorance.

The truth is these men weren’t atheist. In the case of Stalin and Pol Pot they believed in an ideology that stated religion was an oppressive force towards the working classes and should be gotten rid off. Hitler on the other hand was a different story.

Where to start? First off, he was a bit of a mad man. And when I say mad, I mean delusional. He did express a dislike for the Judea-Christian doctrines because of the bit about caring for the weak and the poor. And also the Jew parts. But did believe.

Back to the delusional thing. The man had a Messiah complex; meaning that he thought he was on a divine mission from god. This mission of course, he believed, was to kill all Jews and restore the Roman Empire under the German Flag.

Now, stay with me on this one, I haven’t seen anyone make this argument so I may be a bit out in my analyses. Hitler did start a new religion; based on him as the new Messiah. That much is fact. He declared that all alters of the Reichskirche must have a copy of “Mein Kampf” and a sword. *Unfortunately I can’t find a reference, so it might have been under another name besides Reichskirche, but here the Wikipedia page on his beliefs*

Lets review: man thinks he’s the chosen one, sets up pagan religion which he’s the head of and person of worship. Sound familiar?

Does god king ring any bells? Yes, you’ve guessed it! Egypt and the Pharaoh Kings!

People think of these tyrants as people. Monsters yes, but  still people. So the idea that these dictators saw themselves as greater then mortals is often overlooked.stalin

Unfortunately my knowledge of Pol Pot is not as good as it should be for a post like this.  But I can state, in the case of Hitler and Stalin, that the “cult of personality” was very much used; setting up the image of these men, in the eyes of the public, as demi-gods (only a slight exaggeration), certainly greater then common members of the public.

So in conclusion, these men were nuttersnot rational, scientific, open-minded Atheists.

Before the beginning…

Before the beginning there was… was… well, we’re not sure what was before the beginning. There are a number of theories as to what was there before the universe we are in presently in came into being: nothing; a previous universe that imploded; and of the all powerful entity that is god.

(You may like to know that I write god with a lower case “g”, not because I’m ignorant of standards in punctuation and spelling, but because over history there are more gods then civilisations and I don’t want any of them to feel left out… least I be stroke down… Sorry! Couldn’t help myself.)

Right, back to the beginning. I do have a number of reasons for talking about the beginning of the universe, a field in which I am not an expert in by a long shot. First, what happened at the start of this universe is one major point that theists hang on to like a hypocritical dog hangs on to a legitimate bone. Second, I think it’s a good starting post- you know? In the beginning… get it?

*Realises if there was a god, he would not let me get away with such bad jokes*

The point that is floating around on my head, like that fly you thought you killed,
which I will make eventually, is:

if were not sure how the universe began, does that justify religion?

Both sides would say no. Theist would say no because that would limit the justification of religion to a single (and lets be honest) dismissible argument. And Non-Theist would say no… because they would be right.

Putting it simply:

what happened in the beginning or how the beginning happened belongs to philosophical debate and cannot be considered an argument for god, ESPECIALLY the present day version of god.

Here is a video by a great man- Carl Sagan, discussing gods and the universe. Also he summerises this post nicely.