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Holy Cow Links 31-August-08

Interesting headline caught my eye: “Todd Bentley wants to recruit a Violent Christian Army to start Armageddon”. Fuck lad! Here’s both the funniest bit (via Dvorak Uncensored):

He said, ‘Kick her in the face … with your biker boot.’ I inched closer and I went like this [makes kicking motion]: Bam! And just as my boot made contact with her nose, she fell under the power of God.

McCain VP pick, Sarah Palin wants creationism taught in schools, under the pretext of an open debate… rubbish! (also via DU)

Speaking of which, nice piece on “Animal Intelligence and the Evolution of the Human Mind”. (via RichardDawkins.net)

God on the brain by Horizon. (via Atheist Nation)

Dear Daniel,

Blind acceptance is not faith as it is taught in the Bible. Faith is like holding a title or a ticket for something you have not received yet. If you buy property from a stranger and pay cash for a photocopied title that is not faith. If you go to church and a preacher says the bible says this and the bible says that and you just believe it, that is not faith. If my parents told me things about God and i don’t investigate for myself that is not faith. I do blame parents who teach their children things they don’t believe.
When we look at the world around us with our naked eyes or thru microscopes or telescopes we see something about God. If we honestly accept what we see in the world God created around us we must conclude that God is worthy to be worshiped and obeyed. We don’t want to submit to God so we say that He can not be known or does not exist. Some of us make up a god and write rules for him to suit our desires.

I have a daughter who went to college. While she was there we got a letter from a religious group identifying a problem group on campus. I think they wanted donations to help protect our children. The group was made up of leaders from three different religious groups. All the groups historically had significant differences in regards to truth and what the scriptures taught. The group they were afraid of was stating that truth about God could be known for certain. Do you think that students in a top rated liberal arts school need to be protected from teaching about God?

Daniel

To answer your direct question: I don’t think students, or children for that matter, should be protected from being taught about God. But I’d much prefer it if they were taught about all religions not just about the Christian God.

BUT, I do believe students and children should be protected from being indoctrinated.

And, in the case of children, it is very hard for someone to make the case that when they are “taught” the religion of their parents they are not indoctrinated; simply because they are often told it is fact.

To address your point about religious organisation working together: Please do not think I wish to target people who do kind acts. But in most cases it is in the persons nature to be kind, and not just because their religion told them so.

I must point out Christopher Hickens argument that to say a person only does kind acts because of a supernatural being called “God” is insulting to both the person and humanity as a whole.

Now, on to the trickier parts of you comment.

Faith is belief without proof, hence the phase “with good-faith”. 

I must counter your point: “We don’t want to submit to God so we say that He can not be known or does not exist.”

It can not be known that God created the Universe, and even if it could we do not have the technology to confirm or deny. Therefore, accepting that God created the universe is accepting an idea without proof. Which is faith.

You may say that you had a feeling or an intervention and you know this to be true.

If so, why haven’t the other 6 billion of the race not experienced this same intervention?

I’m not sure what else to address. If there is anything else you’d like me to explain, please leave a comment.

Quote of the Day.

“Superstition is to religion what astrology is to astronomy, the mad daughter of a wise mother. These daughters have too long dominated the earth.”

Voltaire

Holy Cow Links 18-August-08 (Video Edition)

Pat’s new video:

Richard Dawkins talking to PZ Myers on being expelled from “Expelled”:

“Why do people laugh at creationists?” Here’s why (rest of the series by Thunderf00t here) :

Teaching Children to believe IS abused.

Recently I overheard a parent:

“Kids have great faith! Not like teenagers. When I said uncle Bob is in heaven looking down on us, my kids accepted it. Isn’t that great?!”

No! It’s not great- it’s vomit inducing!

Richard Dawkins presents the idea that teaching children to believe in one faith as they’re growing up is child abuse. I have to agree with him.

There’s a lot of things wrong with bringing your child up with faith. To start with children ARE NOT able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality until they’re roughly eight years old. So it’s not faith, they just believe you, they know no better.

Have you ever wonder how come kids have such great imaginations? How they can be  amused with the simplest things for hours?
 
It’s simply: children don’t have the mental limitations of adults, they haven’t experienced enough of the world to know any limitations. They can make a complete and unreal story about a shoe. The key word being “unreal”.
 
There’s a documentary called Jesus Camp. I can embed it. I can’t even watch it myself, like I mentioned above… it’s vomit inducing. So here’s Bill Maher’s take on it:

Dawkins’s argument is that as a society it is wrong to believe that just because a child has Christian parents that it is a Christian child.

The way it should be is that a child is taught about all religions, and then at some age is asked to pick. Can’t be done in most religions. Not least because when a child is exposed to all religions, they will see through them, they will not be brain-washed. But also because religions have ways of settling a child into the religion; Christians have baptism, Jews have circumcision.

“But how will children accept death if there’s nothing higher to believe in?”

The same way adults do: they just accept it, it’s a fact of life. Most adults have a hard time accepting death and for children it must be worse. But that is still no excuse. No excuse for telling children lies and fairytales just so you can avoid the hard talk about death. People have told countless stories that, when they were children, they would spend sleepless nights contemplating if they were going to hell, if their friends or family were going to hell; to burn in the eternal flames.

Your telling me that isn’t child abuse?

Here’s a spin of the coin. We often say that we will miss a loved one but that they’re waiting for us… well, what about them missing us? Imagine your cat Bingo. Floating around for decades waiting to be re-united with it’s beloved owner.

It’s all fucked up!

Faith is wrong. Death is real. So we enjoy life. We love life. 

Teaching children faith IS abused.

Teaching them to love and accept others IS the only true message.

Quote of the Day

“Skepticism is not a position, it’s a process”

Dr. Michael Shermer

A credit to the Atheist name!

Class!

I just found out that blogger Scott H Young is an atheist! (amazing what turns up in the archive section) I’ve found that a lot of self-help and proactive people are believers. It’s often the case that these positive people see atheism as an ultimate negative.

Here’s Scott’s free e-book about Holistic learning.  And here’s his donate page.

The more the merrier!

Holy Cow Links for 07-August

The Genius of Richard Dawkins… I mean Charles Darwin. Well they’re both great.:

 

James Randi’s foundation website. Great place for skeptical news.

 

Economist article- Praying for health. Interesting piece on a theory that religion is an evolutionary response to disease. Nice sub-title-“Religious diversity may be caused by disease.”

 

Latest Pat Condell video: